Thanks Chris for pointing this picture out. The location was easy for me. Lets see how long it takes for someone else to get it right. There are some really awesome details in this photo too!
Well, since you asked, there appears to be a scoop stuck in the coalpile ready to heave but what really interests me is the column, first picture visible on a US n.g. loco to my knowledge, inside the waterleg what I would be thinking is a Handbrakelever such as those applied to the rear platforms of parlour cars. Also there is a Toolbox on the rear of the Tank deck and the fine appearance of the Cabcurtains tied back in a manner that would make the Roadforeman of Engines proud. The signal cord appears to be a lot thicker than the previously posted picture of the #153 at Sunset.
Water pail, cab curtains, rope signal line going to the coach and the flue reamer hanging below the tender beam. The tender strikes me as a preview of the form C&S later adopted with the tool boxes on top of the water wings and the coal boards to increase capacity.
I always liked this photo, but saw a thing or two after Chris Walker pointed me towards them. First, I wonder why the cab curtains aren't completely furled on what looks like a fine summery day. Or is it? Second, with that box on the rear deck, and the tanks below watering up that tank must have caused a lot of grumbling since there is no room and plenty of spilling water. And last, the brake mechanism inside the water leg is actually fairly common, and the earliest narrow gauge engine I know of that still has it is the Glenbrook here at the Nevada State Railroad Museum. The #22, Inyo also has one in the same location, though it's standard gauge. Both of these are wheels and protrude into the space a ways. Ain't these pictures a hoot?
one other thing to look at is the line running rom the cab to the passenger car. I believe that was the signal line for make stops along the line. You don't see that in place very often.
You know, Doug, what surprises me is that the hole for the signal line persisted in many passenger cars till abandonment, loooong after common use diminished.
Chris is correct, the cab curtains are unusually neat. If this is Billy Westall's engine, maybe that is why?
Did anyone notice there is no pilot deck? And I'd bet dollars to donuts the water hatch opened from front to back. That would not have stopped soaking the tool box but it was the common practice of the road in those days. It looks like "Union Pacific" under the cab - no surprise there. This is between about 1888 and 1895 - the reign of the Diamond Stack. Anyone have an idea what the box under the cab was for? It is only on the Fireman's side. The Tender Trucks are strikingly similar to the swing beams we commonly call Type B. Trucks on tenders are all over the place - even with mixed styles. Don't know who to blame for the curtain but all may not be so neat - the front roof corner of the cab seems amiss to me...
This engine appears to have the over and under double crosshead guides. This is more typical of the late '90s. Is this a much later photos with an engine still equipped with the older Diamond stack? Could be....
Ihave always believed that the DSP&P Baldwin Consolidations were delivered with Alligator Crossheads (as opposed to Laird).The photo taken at Hancock of the doubleheaded Baldwin & Bogie appears to show Alligator,but all the other Baldwin photos taken 1880-83 that I've seen dont show anything.Does anybody have access to the pictures in Klinger's Gunnison book taken on Arkansas bridge(Not the one that was on Ebay) or Baldwin builders info.
I don't know of any engine that came to the C&S, except Bogie 57, without the double guide crossheads. The big Baldwins (UPD&G 9,10, 11) were delivered with the Alligators. But the 1890 Baldwins were not. It is my impression that the Lairds were more common - even typical - until the late '90s. But it would be wrong to say the Alligators were uncommon. I've entertained the same thought about the early Baldwins and I've seen several photos of 195, as well as views of 191, 197 and 196 that all seem to have these crossheads. Even as pre 1885 numbers. Moreover you will note that it seems the Brooks Moguls also had Alligator crossheads. Together they were around 20 South Park engines with Alligators and perhaps delivered that way.
Someplace I have Baldwin builders infor that I got from Doc. sloan several years ago but don't ask me where.
While we are at it, it makes me think about why the DSP&P/UP used the UP Type B swing beams whereas the Cookes etc used the coil spring trucks that we are more accustomed to. Also note the tender water leg valves are more like the later D&RGW ones and not the hand crank variations more typical of the early locos. The tall sand dome is worthy of a brass casting!
Thanks Chris for pointing this picture out. The location was easy for me. Lets see how long it takes for someone else to get it right.
ReplyDeleteThere are some really awesome details in this photo too!
Morrison?
ReplyDeleteYou win Bob!
DeleteAny details that stand out besides that super shiny bright boiler jacket?
ReplyDeleteWell, since you asked, there appears to be a scoop stuck in the coalpile ready to heave but what really interests me is the column, first picture visible on a US n.g. loco to my knowledge, inside the waterleg what I would be thinking is a Handbrakelever such as those applied to the rear platforms of parlour cars.
DeleteAlso there is a Toolbox on the rear of the Tank deck and the fine appearance of the Cabcurtains tied back in a manner that would make the Roadforeman of Engines proud.
The signal cord appears to be a lot thicker than the previously posted picture of the #153 at Sunset.
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Chris
in New Zealand
Water pail, cab curtains, rope signal line going to the coach and the flue reamer hanging below the tender beam. The tender strikes me as a preview of the form C&S later adopted with the tool boxes on top of the water wings and the coal boards to increase capacity.
ReplyDeleteKeith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
What is the cylindrical object near the valve gear arm-in between the first and second driver?
ReplyDeleteEngine Brake Cylinder.
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Chris
in New Zealand
I always liked this photo, but saw a thing or two after Chris Walker pointed me towards them. First, I wonder why the cab curtains aren't completely furled on what looks like a fine summery day. Or is it? Second, with that box on the rear deck, and the tanks below watering up that tank must have caused a lot of grumbling since there is no room and plenty of spilling water. And last, the brake mechanism inside the water leg is actually fairly common, and the earliest narrow gauge engine I know of that still has it is the Glenbrook here at the Nevada State Railroad Museum. The #22, Inyo also has one in the same location, though it's standard gauge. Both of these are wheels and protrude into the space a ways. Ain't these pictures a hoot?
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that this was Billy Westall's engine.
ReplyDeleteone other thing to look at is the line running rom the cab to the passenger car. I believe that was the signal line for make stops along the line. You don't see that in place very often.
ReplyDeleteDoug J
You know, Doug, what surprises me is that the hole for the signal line persisted in many passenger cars till abandonment, loooong after common use diminished.
ReplyDeleteChris is correct, the cab curtains are unusually neat. If this is Billy Westall's engine, maybe that is why?
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
Did anyone notice there is no pilot deck? And I'd bet dollars to donuts the water hatch opened from front to back. That would not have stopped soaking the tool box but it was the common practice of the road in those days. It looks like "Union Pacific" under the cab - no surprise there. This is between about 1888 and 1895 - the reign of the Diamond Stack. Anyone have an idea what the box under the cab was for? It is only on the Fireman's side. The Tender Trucks are strikingly similar to the swing beams we commonly call Type B. Trucks on tenders are all over the place - even with mixed styles. Don't know who to blame for the curtain but all may not be so neat - the front roof corner of the cab seems amiss to me...
ReplyDeleteDerrell
This engine appears to have the over and under double crosshead guides. This is more typical of the late '90s. Is this a much later photos with an engine still equipped with the older Diamond stack? Could be....
ReplyDeleteIhave always believed that the DSP&P Baldwin Consolidations were delivered with Alligator Crossheads (as opposed to Laird).The photo taken at Hancock of the doubleheaded Baldwin & Bogie appears to show Alligator,but all the other Baldwin photos taken 1880-83 that I've seen dont show anything.Does anybody have access to the pictures in Klinger's Gunnison book taken on Arkansas bridge(Not the one that was on Ebay) or Baldwin builders info.
ReplyDeleteAfter checking the photo of DSP&P 51 on p226 of DSP&P Memorial,it looks like it has Alligator crossheads.
ReplyDeleteI don't know of any engine that came to the C&S, except Bogie 57, without the double guide crossheads. The big Baldwins (UPD&G 9,10, 11) were delivered with the Alligators. But the 1890 Baldwins were not.
ReplyDeleteIt is my impression that the Lairds were more common - even typical - until the late '90s. But it would be wrong to say the Alligators were uncommon. I've entertained the same thought about the early Baldwins and I've seen several photos of 195, as well as views of 191, 197 and 196 that all seem to have these crossheads. Even as pre 1885 numbers. Moreover you will note that it seems the Brooks Moguls also had Alligator crossheads. Together they were around 20 South Park engines with Alligators and perhaps delivered that way.
Someplace I have Baldwin builders infor that I got from Doc. sloan several years ago but don't ask me where.
Another thing to keep an eye on is where the mainrod is connected especially between 1890 and 1910.
ReplyDeleteWhile we are at it, it makes me think about why the DSP&P/UP used the UP Type B swing beams whereas the Cookes etc used the coil spring trucks that we are more accustomed to. Also note the tender water leg valves are more like the later D&RGW ones and not the hand crank variations more typical of the early locos. The tall sand dome is worthy of a brass casting!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the great pic!
...Bill