Nope. Life is never that simple. CC no. 14 became No. 107 in 1885, UPD&G no.7 in 1890 then no. 7 again in 1896 and finally C&S 12 in 1899. It was one of the 3 Cooke moguls that was not rebuilt in 1900 - 1903 at the new C&S Shops on 7th Street - later known as Rice Yards after Robert Rice, Vice Pres. and GM of the C&S, during the teens, '20s and '30s (iirc). It ran on the Morrison branch along with 11 and 13 until they were retired in the late teens and early '20s. The Brooks Moguls 21 and 22 were also used on this line in the teens and '20s with No. 22 finally being scrapped in 1927.
Is this the same locomotive as the photo from the Philip Ronfor collection of #7 on page 32 of the volume VI of the Motive Power of the C&S pictorial? In that publication the DL&G number is incorrectly listed as #212. I place the date around 1900 but am unsure of the location. Great photo
Lee, as you see from the above posts no this isn't the same engine. They're both Cookes and look very much alike tho owned by different roads previously. The Vol. VI photo is probably close in date and likely at Como. The Grandt pictorials are great but like all publications have mistakes. But that just means we need to be more attentive to what we are looking at. As to the roster I consider that to be a type-o but that being said this roster is a bit out of sync with most of the other listings you see.
The domes are not original. they seem to start showing up in the early to mid 1890s when the Brooks engines were rebuilt. The Cookes originally had fluted domes as we see on photos of no. 71 (DSP&P).
The Color scheme, eh...? You must be looking for trouble. Arf!
This got me to thinking about the idea that all narrow gauge locos are small, have diamond stacks and fluted domes. A review of photos of the C&S roster proved me wrong. In fact, relatively few C&S locos had fluted domes--mostly the B-4-Bs built by Baldwin and gone by the 20s. 'Derby' domes seem much more common.
A lettering practice I'd not been cognizant of before: DE NVER on the mail car, to clear the door. Needs must.
ReplyDeleteWould I be correct to assume the mogul becomes C&S no. 7 in later years? Those are neat little engines. And the engine in the background?
Mike
Nope. Life is never that simple. CC no. 14 became No. 107 in 1885, UPD&G no.7 in 1890 then no. 7 again in 1896 and finally C&S 12 in 1899. It was one of the 3 Cooke moguls that was not rebuilt in 1900 - 1903 at the new C&S Shops on 7th Street - later known as Rice Yards after Robert Rice, Vice Pres. and GM of the C&S, during the teens, '20s and '30s (iirc). It ran on the Morrison branch along with 11 and 13 until they were retired in the late teens and early '20s. The Brooks Moguls 21 and 22 were also used on this line in the teens and '20s with No. 22 finally being scrapped in 1927.
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That engine was originally C.C. 14-it became C&S 12.C&S 7 was originally DSP&P 70 and DL&G 112
ReplyDeleteIs this the same locomotive as the photo from the Philip Ronfor collection of #7 on page 32 of the volume VI of the Motive Power of the C&S pictorial? In that publication the DL&G number is incorrectly listed as #212. I place the date around 1900 but am unsure of the location. Great photo
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Lee, as you see from the above posts no this isn't the same engine. They're both Cookes and look very much alike tho owned by different roads previously. The Vol. VI photo is probably close in date and likely at Como. The Grandt pictorials are great but like all publications have mistakes. But that just means we need to be more attentive to what we are looking at. As to the roster I consider that to be a type-o but that being said this roster is a bit out of sync with most of the other listings you see.
DeleteAny one care to comment on the paint scheme? Another question, are those domes original domes?
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The domes are not original. they seem to start showing up in the early to mid 1890s when the Brooks engines were rebuilt. The Cookes originally had fluted domes as we see on photos of no. 71 (DSP&P).
ReplyDeleteThe Color scheme, eh...? You must be looking for trouble. Arf!
Derrell
Domes, domes, domes.
ReplyDeleteThis got me to thinking about the idea that all narrow gauge locos are small, have diamond stacks and fluted domes. A review of photos of the C&S roster proved me wrong. In fact, relatively few C&S locos had fluted domes--mostly the B-4-Bs built by Baldwin and gone by the 20s. 'Derby' domes seem much more common.
I remain chagrined.
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
Thank you Robert for throwing Roper another bone! He loves his treats.
ReplyDeleteAnyone have a location for this photo? Georgetown? Silver Plume?
Empire.
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